euroguy Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 (edited) I've copied the link to video below It's really sad to see this type of behavior be it on or off a cruise ship. What has happened to people to think it's okay to behave like this.... It makes me question the direction humanity is heading. I see and hear various things frequently and what I've noticed is so many people appear to be so angry and on the verge of snapping ...which in turn prompts people to shy away from others or being extremely cautious as to what to say or do in our daily lives as we have to try and cross every T and dot every I so not to stub our toe... it's like a powder kag waiting to blow. It's almost got to the point that people are afraid to even say hello to each other... or if they do it's with caution..pretty sad Edited July 3 by euroguy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising Caribbean Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 @euroguy This is so upsetting. This type of behavior is no good and downright wrong. There is no need to be so combative and untamed. We aren't animals! I wish more guests would act with dignity and class. No one needs to brawl. It's unnecessary. People are being so unhinged to the point of no return. Let's keep it together folks. For the sake of those around you, let's manage our emotions better than this. Cruise guests shouldn't be portrayed this way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euroguy Posted July 3 Author Share Posted July 3 Well stated .... my mouth dropped when I saw the video. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendall James-Vargas Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 @euroguy It's so sad that this is what it all comes down to, cruise guests acting insane. It's sheer insanity for cruisers to act this way. There is no need for anyone to act this bizarre and make such a scene onboard a cruise. I hope that guests take this as a sign to keep it together. Let's all have some decency and integrity. We should all have morals and use them while cruising, don't you think? Unfortunately this crowd on Carnival Paradise doesn't surprise me. Sometimes it just gets way too rowdy onboard a cruise for my liking. I like a more tranquil experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euroguy Posted July 5 Author Share Posted July 5 @Kendall James-Vargas it does and at the same doesn't surprise me. I really don't understand the mind set anymore. I'm sure that other cruise lines have issues as well. I know over the last few cruises im noticing a different class of cruisers and not in the positive direction. I remember in the not so distant past that people on cruises were a lot more respectful. It seem like ever since covid people are more me me me and don't give a crap about others along with simply being disrespectful. If this trend co tinues I may have to rethink my cruising options. I know carnival is known for being one of ...if not the least expensive lines. I'm not sure what other cruise lines guests are like since I've only cruised CCL. I'm thinking it maybe time or getting close to looking at other lines. I just hate to give up all the perks I receive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaawgs Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 @Cruising Caribbean this is a nice little cherry on top of the discussion we were having on a different topic. @euroguy we have spent over 400 days on Celebrity and nothing even close to this has ever taken place. However, we're abandoning our favorite cruise line because they're trending in this direction. Like most things in life, you'll have to spend more money to filter out this level of society. Try one of Carnivals boutique lines. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising Caribbean Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 Thanks @Seaawgs! I'm a nice cruise guest, and I don't want the world to get this negative impression that all cruisers are this way. That's an incredible amount of cruise days with one cruise line. I totally understand why you have made the decision to switch up cruise lines. Choosing ones of Carnival's luxury lines could be a good choice! Which one are you looking into? The only problem with these lines are the limited itinerary options. Because there are so many ships with lines like CCL and Celebrity Cruises so the itinerary options are vast! Do you prefer to cruise out of a particular port or to a particular region? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaawgs Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 @Cruising Caribbeanit only takes one to contaminate a scene. Most cruise passengers are fine, but as a wider cross section of the public has begun cruising, a wider variety of issues have been experienced. Boutique lines tend to roam offering unique experiences, however, most don't home port long in any one place When cruising was cheap, we didn't care where we went. Back to back including a transatlantic is a great choice since the cruise is often less expensive than a flight one way. Spring is the best time for those. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising Caribbean Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 @Seaawgs That's very true. I wish that wasn't the case, but the negative circumstances and guests always make it to the forefront of the news. Cruising prices have totally gone up and I really wish they were more affordable! I would go back to cruising more often, but for now I can barley swing the once a year cruise. Not even Wave season and other promotions are making a good enough dent. Flight prices are on the up too. Traveling isn't cheap and sometimes I have to get really scrappy to afford it! One thing I never do is book a cruise or any trip during a holiday or peak season like summer or spring break. Those times nearly double any travel cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadTravelled Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 @Cruising Caribbean You are absolutely correct. It's getting harder and harder to find those really great deals. I think I need to take up gambling in the casino so I can get those fabulous deals that @euroguy always gets! LOL And, you are right as well that flight costs added in can really be significant, especially getting to Europe! Using the programs from the cruise lines that include airfare though has saved us thousands as they get really great bulk discounts. And, our upcoming cruise they even threw in the flight (economy class) for "free." Of course, we know nothing is really free, but that still put the overall cost of the cruise to a "reasonable" level and we had the added benefit of the cruise controlling the air and transfers. So, if anything went sideways, they would work to make sure we got on the boat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euroguy Posted July 10 Author Share Posted July 10 (edited) @RoadTravelled 🤣 i do get some pretty amazing free or near free offers which is why i do cruise so frequently. I agree and think you should spend a bit of time and money in the casino to reap some swagging rewards. @Cruising Caribbean you are so right that the cost of travel to the port is getting stupid. I use to be able to take a southwest flight from Sacramento to Long Beach for $50 each way. Now for my upcoming cruise on Firenze it cost me $115 down and $98 return, I know I can hear it from you...that that isn't bad but I only got those rates because I watch flights like a hawk on the hunt 60-90 days out from trip date, then I check daily to see if prices drop to cancel and re book. Way to much work. Thankfully I don't have to add a hotel to the trip but you do have to add transportation to and from airport which isn't cheap either. I can't speak about the cruise rates as you already know I get free or near free cruises so I really don't see what the pricing is for others 🤔 maybe ignorance is bliss @RoadTravelled regarding sail and fly through the cruise line has its risks and I actually found it to be more expensive. The risks are that the cruise line isnt responsible for airline problems and have heard horror stories. As for price my last trip to port Canaveral I was able to save $300 by booking myself and the flight they wanted me to take only had a 20 minute connection time at Dallas fort worth. I wouldn't have made it in time to catch my connecting flight. I actually called the airline and was told no way I would make it in time. I am glad to hear it's actually worked for you but I would be cautious when do it. Edited July 10 by euroguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadTravelled Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 21 minutes ago, euroguy said: @RoadTravelled regarding sail and fly through the cruise line has its risks and I actually found it to be more expensive. The risks are that the cruise line isnt responsible for airline problems and have heard horror stories. As for price my last trip to port Canaveral I was able to save $300 by booking myself and the flight they wanted me to take only had a 20 minute connection time at Dallas fort worth. I wouldn't have made it in time to catch my connecting flight. I actually called the airline and was told no way I would make it in time. I am glad to hear it's actually worked for you but I would be cautious when do it. @euroguy We've been lucky so far in our fly program. But, we've only used it for international flights. I think that's where you get the biggest savings. Flights to Europe are just stupid expensive these days. As you mentioned, domestic flights are much easier to manipulate and get deals. We've also been able, to some extent, change what they originally book us on for better times. But, you are right, it's a bit restrictive otherwise. We have another Europe one coming up in late September/ early October that all of the connecting seems to work great. This is not a CCL cruise so it also includes the shuttle service from the airport to the boat both ways — a nice benefit. So, fingers crossed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendall James-Vargas Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 (edited) @euroguy You really have your cruising down to a science! I love how calculated you are when it comes to booking cruises with good rates and grabbing the best airfare at the perfect timing! I think shuttle service from the airport to the port is a huge bonus. Particularly for a cruiser embarking from aa new country for the first time, this is the safest and most convenient option for everyone! I need to be better at looking at all inclusive prices to save on the headache of multiple bookings. Booking everything at one time is the most convenient thing. Managing multiple reservations for multiple people can get stressful. Did you see the news update on this Carnival Paradise brawl? It seems the involved parties have been banned from cruising with the line. Edited July 11 by Kendall James-Vargas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadTravelled Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 @Kendall James-Vargas Thanks for the update on the brawl. Such a sad statement about the lack of civility writ large these days. Glad to see that they got fined and are now banned from Carnival in the future. I wonder if Carnival shares that info with their other brands owned by CCL as well to prevent them from sailing those also. There really should be an industry wide "no cruise" list much like the "no fly" list TSA uses. They were fortunate that they didn't do this earlier in the 5-day cruise as that might have meant they would have been put off the ship in Mexico or Honduras to fend for themselves. Would have been a just punishment for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euroguy Posted July 11 Author Share Posted July 11 @Kendall James-Vargas yes I have read that the brawling group was fined and banned from CCL, which is appropriate. @RoadTravelled I agree had it been earlier in the cruise that it would have been poetic justice to be removed from the ship at what ever port they would have been to next. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euroguy Posted July 11 Author Share Posted July 11 @RoadTravelled what cruise are you going on that requires international al flight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadTravelled Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 1 hour ago, euroguy said: @RoadTravelled what cruise are you going on that requires international al flight? @euroguy We fly to Amsterdam to catch the boat. It's actually a river cruise on the Rhine that ends in Basel, Switzerland. We stay some extra days there and then fly home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendall James-Vargas Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 @RoadTravelled I would hope CCL shared with sister brands, but for some reason I doubt it. That's a great question. I wonder if the ban for certain cruisers would happen at some point. I highly doubt that these cruisers would want to try any other CCL brands, particularly the higher end lines. I don't think it would fit the style of cruising they are into. I think it would have been better for something like that to happen to these guests. That would have taught them a lesson for sure! I'm excited for your river cruise. It sounds so lovely! @euroguy They absolutely deserved the ban! I don't understand why people act this way, on or off a ship. It's absurd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euroguy Posted July 13 Author Share Posted July 13 @RoadTravelled awww being that it's a river cruise the flight arrangement sound to be a better set up from the mainstream cruise lines, but the cost associated with a river cruise is also considerably more as well. I can only speak about CCL and domestic. I'm really glad it's working for you. Sounds like a really great trip and am sure you will enjoy yourselves. Look forward to hearing about it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendall James-Vargas Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 (edited) @euroguy As someone who hasn't river cruised yet, I didn't realize the cost of river cruising was more costly. I thought the prices were relatively comparable to an ocean cruise. If I was disembarking in Switzerland I would totally take some extra days to explore. Have you taken a river cruise in the past? I would love to be able to cruise on a river cruise with CCL. Have you seen any river cruises with CCL? I have only seen the Mississippi river cruise option. I haven't been on a Viking River Cruise before so I would be most comfortable giving it a try with a line I know and trust like CCL. Edited July 17 by Kendall James-Vargas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadTravelled Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 10 hours ago, Kendall James-Vargas said: @euroguy As someone who hasn't river cruised yet, I didn't realize the cost of river cruising was more costly. I thought the prices were relatively comparable to an ocean cruise. If I was disembarking in Switzerland I would totally take some extra days to explore. Have you taken a river cruise in the past? I would love to be able to cruise on a river cruise with CCL. Have you seen any river cruises with CCL? I have only seen the Mississippi river cruise option. I haven't been on a Viking River Cruise before so I would be most comfortable giving it a try with a line I know and trust like CCL. @Kendall James-Vargas We have been on Viking river cruises before and are getting ready for another one in September. As far as I know, CCL doesn't do river cruises but I could be wrong. Maybe one of the sister lines? Anyway, as to cost, it's really an apples & oranges kind of thing. Yes, when you get a quote it does look expensive in comparison. But, the thing you have to remember is that it is all-inclusive, unlike CCL which is basically an unbundled package — a build-a-cruise kind of thing. So, on Viking for example on our next trip, the price quoted included the airfare round-trip to Europe; shuttle service from the airport to the boat and hotels (if doing pre- or post-cruise stays) and back to the airport; excursions in every port; high-speed Wi-Fi while traveling on the boat; all dining options (no upcharges); wine, beer, and soft-drinks at lunch & dinner; 24-hour specialty coffees, teas & bottled water; dedicated Viking staff at the airports and hotels to guide you at each step; and much more. If you add all of those things into a ocean-view cabin on CCL as an example, especially if you are traveling to Europe by plane, then in reality it is very similar in cost. And, you have the added benefit of a small ship atmosphere with less than 200 people and the staff attention that goes with that. I find it is a good value all-in-all. Of course it can't beat those insane deals that @euroguy gets on CCL! LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Cruiser Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 I didn’t realize it was a fight. Thought it was a chair throwing contest. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendall James-Vargas Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 @RoadTravelled I'm thinking possibly a sister line too. Cruising with a familiar line or an associated sister line would be best for me. From what I know about Viking River Cruises, the experience would be vastly different than cruising to the Caribbean like I"m used to! That's a great analysis of the pricing. Every little thing is an extra with most major ocean liners like CCL. The idea that you get free shuttles and excursions is so foreign to me! It's actually so convenient! I wish all ocean liners were truly all inclusive like this! Those extra costs add up quickly. It's true that @euroguy gets very rare and unbeatable fares! I don't think I would ever see those prices for me in my lifetime. I spend most of my cruise hunting looking for a bargain deal, without a personal assistant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euroguy Posted July 26 Author Share Posted July 26 @Kendall James-Vargas @RoadTravelled Geesh I'm off the boards for couple days and I still seem to make the news 🤣 Since you all brought it up below are a few of my current offers for free Balcony cruises. Of course I have to pay for port fees and gratuities but receive most or all of that back with on board credit. The other 2 are non european and have hunfldreds of dates and cruises to look at. The journey cruises I have 31 different sailing and select just a few for you to see I still have not received a free suit offer but who knows maybe after my upcoming cruise on Firenze in 43 days. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euroguy Posted July 26 Author Share Posted July 26 This really makes it hard for me to leave CCL ...now only if I was retired I really could take better advantage of the offers. As amazing as it is to receive the offers it does feel a bit over kill as I probably could live on a ship with all these offers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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